Caitlyn Jenner: A “Real” Woman?

The following is a hateful Facebook post I’ve seen making the rounds, with my own rebuttal after it. I realize I’ve posted a lot on Caitlyn Jenner in the last few weeks, but it’s because I am constantly being barraged with this sort of bigoted B.S. nearly every day.  The thought of a transgender individual dealing with what they have to deal with everyday, having to see this woman’s ignorant nonsense when they jump on their Facebook makes me sick to my stomach…

hateful jenner rant

“I’ve heard you say you “identify as a woman”. But I find that highly unlikely and insulting. You see, Mr. Jenner, there is more to being a woman than beautiful gowns and fake boobs. There is more to being a woman than makeup and pretty hair.” – Of course there’s more to being a woman than dresses and makeup.  Caitlyn Jenner never said there wasn’t.  However, there are plenty of women all throughout the world who do like to wear those things.  Does that make them less of a woman too? Who decides what a “real woman” is? You? Those women that choose to be just like you?

“This is something we mothers begin teaching our young daughters at an early age.” – So is every female without a daughter not considered a woman?  You do realize that not every woman chooses to have children, right? You should also probably know that not all mothers teach their children the same things that you teach yours.  Does that mean they aren’t real mothers too?

“As a woman of nearly 50 years, I can tell you what it is truly like to be a woman.” – You know what it’s been like for you to be a woman.  Your existence is unique to you, to your experiences, to your choices.  As with every other human being that exists, whether male, female, or any gender in between, everyone has a life different from everyone else’s.

“You may be able to understand or even empathize, but you are definitely NOT able to “identify.” – Of course Caitlyn can’t identify with your life, anymore than you can identify with her’s.

“For instance, you will never know what it is like to wake up every 28 days with searing stomach pain so bad it doubles you over, yet still trot off to work or school as though everything is fine.” -You will never know what it’s like to have to live in a body that your mind is telling you you don’t belong in.  You will never know what it’s like to have to pretend to be someone you’re not because of fear that if you live like you feel you will be disowned by family and friends, kicked out of your home, or fired from your job, just for trying to be you.

“You will never know what it is like to have your car break down on the side of the road and when a couple men stop to help your prayer is that their intentions are good because there is no way on earth you have the ability to physically hang let alone overpower them.” – You will never know what it’s like to be a transgender person in that same situation, fearing that the chances are good that if they discover you are transgender they will beat you, torture you, and probably murder you because you aren’t like them.

“You have no idea what it is like to long to have a child only to have your third miscarriage, yet still manage to be able to share in the joy of all the other young mothers in your life.  You will never know what it’s like to get pregnant, gain 40 lbs (1/3 your total body weight), hurl all morning long for 4 months straight, yet still care for your other two toddlers, and not drive your husband to the brink. You will never know what it is like to give birth to a 10 lb. baby boy with absolutely no medication!!!” – This comment is insulting to more than just transgender people.  Why?  Because you will never know what it’s like to live in despair because you want those things so badly, but you know you’ll never have them.  You will also never know what it’s like to be born barren, unable to ever have children of your own.  Again, your experiences as a woman don’t define what it is to be a woman for everyone. They are your experiences. No one else’s.

“You will never know what it is like at the age of 50 to be walking down the streets of Phoenix and popping in the Dairy Queen for a cool refreshing treat only to be gripped at that moment with your fourth hot flash of the day.”  – How are you to know what Caitlyn Jenner will or will not feel?  Have you ever been on extensive hormone treatments?

“In my life, met many women who have been widowed. For me to walk up to them and say I identify with them would be ludicrous.” – Exactly.  Yet you feel that it’s okay for you to say the definition of a woman matches up exactly to the way you’ve lived your life. As if without your exact experiences, your exact choices, a woman isn’t a “real” woman.

“Like I said earlier, I can empathize with them, but I cannot identify myself as one of them because I don’t know what that is like – I can only imagine. And let’s not even talk about women who have worked through their double mastectomy.”  – Again… Exactly.  Your experiences are not the same as theirs, anymore than your experiences are the same as Caitlyn Jenner’s experiences.

“No, Mr. Jenner” – It’s Ms. Jenner, whether you like it or not. So try to get it right.

“There is more to being a woman than you could ever experience or even imagine.”  – There is more to being a woman than you could ever experience or imagine.  You also can’t imagine what it’s like to be a transgender person in a world that would shame, beat, and kill you because you don’t meet the status quo.

“And lesson #1 for all true women is this – botox injections, plastic surgeries, designer clothing, and public approval is NOT what makes a woman. A real woman is one who in spite of the stretch marks, age spots, dirt under her nails and tired eyes, and even with 1/2 plastic photoshopped supermodels as her competition, she has carried herself in such a way that her family, husband, and children, see her real beauty and find her far more valuable than rubies or diamonds and they rise up and call her blessed.”  – Again… That’s your idea of what a woman is.  But there are plenty of “real” women who don’t meet your standards.  Everyone is different.  Do you really not understand that?  Your life as a woman is no where near the life of a woman living in say… South Africa? Mexico? China? Do you not consider them “real” women because their lives are different than yours?

“Mr. Jenner” – Again… Ms. Jenner.  Your condescension doesn’t change that.

“You are a privileged white male living in the U.S.A. In fact, you are so free and so privileged, you can even spend your massive amounts of money to change your outward appearance to whatever you wish.” – You are a privileged white woman who thinks your way of life is the only way that’s real. You are so free and privileged that you can sit on your throne in arrogant judgment over all others because they don’t live up to your standards of what a woman is.

“That is NOT something most women around the globe are free to do even if they wanted.”  – Neither is sitting on Facebook ranting at someone you’ll never meet who has lived a life with experiences, hardships, and struggles that you’ve never even come close to experiencing.  But that’s not stopping you, now is it?

“MOST women in our world don’t even have access to a high school education.”Most women in the world don’t have access to hundreds of things that we have in the United States.  Many women don’t have access to food, to proper clothing, to medicine, to a home, but that doesn’t mean those in the United States that do aren’t “real” women.  If that’s the standard you’re setting, then you’re not a real woman either!

“So, Mr. Jenner”Ms. Jenner.

“I find your claim to identify as “a woman” disingenuous, uneducated, and honestly – quite offensive.” – I find your entire rant extremely arrogant, hypocritical, condescending, bigoted, and hateful.  Not to mention that it lacks any sort of empathy or understanding for what transgender people struggle with and have to overcome in their lives.  Do you know that “41 percent of trans or gender non-conforming people surveyed have attempted suicide.”  Gee, I wonder why that is! Could it be because of the fact that hateful, ignorant, people like you shame them, bully them, beat them, and constantly remind them that they aren’t really who they feel they are? Could that possibly be it?  Perhaps if you stepped off of your high horse for just a few seconds you could possibly sympathize with someone like Caitlyn.  Is it likely you will? Probably not.  The ignorant who have placed themselves on a pedestal above others generally don’t want to realize that they might be completely wrong.  I’m not transgender, I’m not a woman.  I am a member of the LGBT community and I am male.  But I would never think for a second that I could ever tell anyone else who also happens to identify with those groups that they are not really LGBT, or not really male.  As I’ve said several times throughout this post, everyone is different, no matter what category they happen to fall into. Whether you agree with her life or not, it is her life.  Try to respect that.

  • James Garcia 7/30/2015

57 thoughts on “Caitlyn Jenner: A “Real” Woman?

    1. Me too! Normally I’ll ignore that stuff, but I’ve seen that stupid garbage shared several times by a few different people. I couldn’t keep quiet about it anymore. I sent her a link in a private message (since her wall is set to private unless you follow her. NO THANKS!) Hopefully she’ll read it and learn something! (Doubtful…)

      1. Oh, I don’t know. Slavery and segregation were also technically just “differences of opinion” weren’t they? When your “difference of opinion” is based off no reason, logic, or facts… When it discounts people’s personal experiences, science, psychology, not to mention basic human decency, yet you continue to spout it off no matter what damaging affects it has on other people, then it is bigoted. Period. Jill Johnson and those who share her hateful ideas have shamed people in the LGBT community for far too long. Their “opinions” have cost countless LGBT people their dignity, and in many… MANY… cases, their very lives, throughout history. Sorry, but I think we’re all pretty much just a little bit tired of it.

  1. Reblogged this on DragonflyLady's Writey Ramblings and commented:
    To that bigoted hateful woman ranting to a person about what a ‘real’ woman is, you know NOTHING of her struggles, or of anyone else’s for that matter.

    Who appointed you the authority on what makes a real woman? You don’t speak for me, you speak only for your little close-minded self.

    Leave Caitlyn Jenner alone!

    Reply on point, I love this post!!

      1. OMG! AMC Is HORRIBLE for posting spoilers! There was one death where as soon as it finished airing on the East Coast they blasted their Facebook with photos and stuff regarding it. People on the West Coast were LIVID! LOL!

      2. I bet!! OMG that is not on!!
        That said I haven’t watched TWD in a very long time lol
        I love it when some of the actors of a show live tweet as it’s broadcast, even it’s spoilers for me in NZ because I don’t get it (off the internet…) until later.

      3. I’ve never followed along on Twitter, but I can imagine how that would be fun. Maybe once it comes back on I’ll start doing that.

  2. becky

    I see a lot of these “You’ll never know what it’s like being a woman, because you’ll never experience [list of negative experiences associated with womanhood] posts.”

    They make it sound like being a woman is burden. As if, if a woman could go back and choose, they would be a man.

    I think the complete opposite: being a woman is great!!

  3. Trans persons do not need to prove or justify their identity to anyone. It is not up to others to question and validate our lives and our genders. Her post and comments are unexceptional nonsense. They are one of many comments around identity that people make where judgement of a person is not based on their shard identity but on what the judiciary thinks they should be and are.

    1. Not to mention she discounts the thousands of different types of women that exist out there that AREN’T like her, even the tiniest bit. She is ignorant, elitist, arrogant, hypocritical, and self-righteous (I could keep going with negative words to describe Jill Johnson…)

  4. Gym Bro

    As a man who lived most of his life as a woman and has struggled with many of the things she uses to define being a woman, I have to say her definition of what it is to be a woman is definitely lacking.

    This trans dude says bravo and thank you for your post.

  5. Your attempt to blame an individual’s attempt to take their own life on someone else is feeble. Do you play the victim much? Individual accountability for ones actions doesn’t involve the rest of the world ridiculing you or anyone else. Bruce Jenner is judged to be a man based on cellular biological processes inside HIS body. You could say you identify as a chimp, but that doesn’t necessitate that you are one.

    1. “Your attempt to blame an individual’s attempt to take their own life on someone else is feeble.” Seriously? So when an entire society belittles you, bullies you, tells you you’re worthless, you get kicked out of your home, beaten up, and fired from your job, yeah, I guess society has NOTHING to do with driving LGBT people (particularly trans people) to suicide. Your attempts to say that societal pressures have nothing to do with the suicide rate of transgender people is ridiculous. You might as well say people aren’t guilty of murdering someone because the victim could have chosen to run away! Your statement is illogical and it certainly isn’t based off of any sound evidence.

      “Bruce Jenner is judged to be a man based on cellular biological processes inside HIS body.” First off, it’s CAITLYN Jenner, your attempt to force your opinion on her is pointless. Secondly, how would you know what’s going on inside Caitlyn’s body? Have you been to her doctors visits with her? Have you spoken with her psychiatrist / psychologist (assuming she has one)? You do realize that gender dysphoria is a real thing, right? Have you bothered to do even a TINY bit of research on the subject? Not that I think you’re interested in information (as your refusal to call Caitlyn by her chosen name proves), but here is a good article on WebMD about gender dysphoria:

      http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/gender-dysphoria?page=4

      The next is a bit outdated in it’s terminology, but it is never-the-less informative.

      http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304854804579234030532617704

      Perhaps if you read them, you might be able to show a little more empathy towards other people and the struggles they’ve gone through.

    2. CV

      The very first sentence –
      “I’ve heard you say you “identify” as a woman. But I find that highly unlikely and insulting.”

      The definition of “identify” is: “Associate (someone) closely with; regard (someone) as having strong links with.”
      One can “identity” with things…..I’m white, but I could “identify” myself as a black girl; I listen to their music, I dress the way they do, I talk the way they do, walk the way they do, all my girlfriends I hang out with are black, etc. I will never understand their struggle with racism or profiling, I will never understand how long it takes to do deal with coarse hair or what it takes to maintain it, I’ll never have the potential of getting Sickle cell disease and struggling with it, I will never know what it’s like to constantly have to put lotion on dry skin, and I will never have to deal with negative steriotypes. Even though my skin will never be black, I can still identify and associate myself with them. The fact that the author of this blog is so “offended and insulted” is just plain judgemental and heartless. What is SO offensive and insulting? You don’t have to understand it, but please respect it. What a shame.

      1. It is a shame. Some have said “it’s just a difference of opinion,” but people like Jill Johnson use their “difference of opinion” to deny rights to people not like them, and they frequently bully, attack, and kill them. That’s far from just a “difference of opinion.”

    3. Liz

      You are factually incorrect. Caitlyn is frequently judged to be a man for her historic athletic performance, irrespective of cellular biological processes which are induced and suppressed by lipid-soluble sex steroids binding at hAR and hER receptor sites along the endoplasmic reticule. Alas, people like you are ignorant, and so will continue to make false equivalences to all manner of animals and objects as if you are clever and original…

  6. I suppose I can relate to what she is trying to do: namely to boil down an infinitely diverse human experience (namely womanhood) to some clear-cut rules, so as to be part of a “sisterhood” that is clearly defined against “the other”. Part of the experience (or at least my experience) of being trans that she will, fortunately for her, never identify with is that of not even having the option of being a “team player”, as no-one is rushing to include you (I write on behalf of my husband and myself, both trans, and both all-too-used to being treated as the “dirty secrets” of our social circle).

    I would contrast to this attitude that of my local anti hatecrime group, which coordinates various oppressed minorities whose representatives all manage to get along perfectly well despite having little in common (other, that is, than all being oppressed minorities who do not go around claiming their brand of victimhood is more tragic or authentic than anyone else’s).

    1. Hopefully with more exposure that begins to change (hopefully at a fast rate…) I know a year or so ago I knew nothing about what transgender people had to go through on a daily basis. I have tried to educate myself a bit more and to make an effort to talk to people (mostly by engaging on forums like Reddit.) It’s definitely helped me to be more empathetic towards transgender individuals and their struggles. I am truly sorry that you have to deal with such ignorance on a daily basis. 😦

      1. I am quite lucky in my situation and circumstances, but since I began this journey I have met many people who to say the least are not so fortunate, and I hope I do not take my luck and privileges for granted… Most of the prejudice I have faced has definitely been from a lack of understanding, though. I hope if nothing else Caitlyn’s visibility will encourage people to broaden their understanding.

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  8. MissCalabash

    There’s more to being a woman than an endless litany of white lady whining and pouting. I’m proud to welcome Caitlyn Jenner as a fellow woman. This other wet noodle, she can go eat sand.

    1. Ha! Exactly! Her whole Facebook page is horrible… Some of the stuff she had posted on there is seriously sickening… I don’t understand how people like that function in the world.

  9. ️Jenn gibbs

    Well written. My favorite was your constant correction to Ms.Jenner. Kudos on your response and keep writing.

  10. We read about a first couple created flawless who became flawed, had offspring and brother murdered brother—a deed borne of a hateful mind. Since then hate moved in and refused to vacate the premises, and until now, hate had a timely component behind it—-it took days for messages of hate to reach a target. Now, with social media, hate has exploded in speed-of-light fashion, exposing the reality that in a world of constant change, one thing remains static—-a hateful mind. I however, fail to see the overt hate behind the FB post, despite the most vehement disagreement possible, which is of course based on another false belief—-that sex is immutable.

    Jill Johnson echoes the belief that “women are born, never created”, a belief that is only partially true and focuses on the physical, not the more crucial aspect—the mind and identity, a key component of one’s person/ality. In totality though, the message, by using finger-wagging to say “let me tell you what a woman really is” and exercising absolutely no empathy for those of us who are trans is nothing less than hateful.

  11. Liz

    I guess, I see why women get angry and offended at trans-women saying “I am a women” because the only change that has been made is superficial and it makes some women angry because they feel like the trans-women think in order to feel complete as a women you need the fake breasts, dresses and make up. Well in reality some women don’t like long hair, dresses, high heels, make up or may have small breasts like a A Cup. They are saying I am not complete as a women until I am an “image” of a women. A lot of women don’t want to be defined by a certain image. It is images that have caused women to have eating disorders, young girls feeling they are not pretty or good enough. When women are trying to encourage natural beauty, trans women are promoting “fake ness”, sorry for saying that but you trans-women get offended too quick when naturally born women get up set about your image because they don’t want their women hood to be about the image of the women.
    You need to be a bit more sensitive towards women these days because you will find a lot of insecurity in a women who dresses to the nines, we are told so young that we not pretty the way we are so we need to look like a women. Such as dress,make up, high heels, an image created by society. High heels! Fuck we are not even tall enough!
    Most trans-women have not felt the pressure to look pretty because they have been a man and dress up in make up and dresses are fun to them! My sister puts on make up because she is insecure! I wear baggy clothes because I think I am fat! My friend wears short skirts because she wants to get the boys because she is scared of being alone, she wants a man to pay her bills because she thinks she can’t it herself. I don’t think I get the boys because I am not good at wearing make up.
    Please, show some compassion and understand there are things as a trans women that you did not have to grow up with! I don’t understand what it is like to be trapped in a male body but I do understand what it is like to feel not pretty enough or to hear people say that I am not a women or a girly girl, that I must be a Tom boy or a lesbian because I hate high heels and make up! And have short hair. The truth is I am tall enough and I don’t like wearing masks! i love my short hair, my mum and gran have short hair and mines was always cut short.
    I do believe in famine and masculine energies and some souls are more famine! Even if you are a man! So this may be how you feel more famine but a women can’t understand a man who feels famine because she is never been a man. She gets angry because she thinks you are belittling the experience of a women!
    that women’s anger is valid and it has nothing to do with the trans community. Some are women are sick and tired of stereotypical images that make a “women”. It is our gender bitterness of years of suppression.

    1. “I guess, I see why women get angry and offended at trans-women saying “I am a women” because the only change that has been made is superficial and it makes some women angry because they feel like the trans-women think in order to feel complete as a women you need the fake breasts, dresses and make up.”

      How do you know the only changes are superficial? You have absolutely no idea what trans people go through, what changes happen to them psychologically or emotionally. All you see is the superficial changes, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t others. You also don’t know what they’ve experienced or felt up until that point.

      “Well in reality some women don’t like long hair, dresses, high heels, make up or may have small breasts like a A Cup.”

      Aaaand there are some women that do…

      “They are saying I am not complete as a woman until I am an “image” of a women.”

      No… Actually they’re not. It is you and the woman you’re defending saying that about them. You’re saying trans women aren’t real women because they don’t meet your image of what a woman supposedly is, all the while you are discounting the millions of women that aren’t like you at all and probably have more in common with trans women. I’m sure a majority of trans women couldn’t care less about how you define what it is to be a woman and wouldn’t think twice about how you choose to act or dress. Why? Because they have their own lives to worry about.

      “A lot of women don’t want to be defined by a certain image. It is images that have caused women to have eating disorders, young girls feeling they are not pretty or good enough.”

      Yet here you are judging other women (trans women in this case) by their image, instead of by the lives they’ve lead. You are trying to do exactly the same thing as those you’re judging. You’re trying to define the “ideal woman” as someone that looks and acts like you. What’s the difference?

      “When women are trying to encourage natural beauty, trans women are promoting “fake ness”, sorry for saying that but you trans-women get offended too quick when naturally born women get upset about your image because they don’t want their women hood to be about the image of the women.”

      How are trans women promoting “fakeness?” Because they don’t look and act like you? You do realize that while Caitlyn Jenner chooses to dress up in nice dresses, wear makeup, and have her hair done, there are thousands of trans women who don’t, right? While Caitlyn Jenner is a part of the trans community, it doesn’t mean all trans women are like her anymore than you looking the way you do means all other women look like you. You are also still ignoring the fact that there are millions of women out there that do dress nicely, wear makeup, and have their hair done up nicely. Again… Are they not “real” women either? Are you out there trying to degrade and demean supermodels because they don’t meet your standard of what a “real” woman is? I think not.

      “You need to be a bit more sensitive towards women these days”

      You need to be a bit more sensitive towards those in the transgender community who I can almost guarantee have had a much harder life than you. You don’t have to worry about walking down the street in broad daylight and being beaten or murdered for being a woman. You don’t have to worry about being kicked out of your home or fired from your job for being a woman. Sure, the fight for full equality for women is still raging on, but I can promise you, you have it much better than most trans people out there.

      “Most trans-women have not felt the pressure to look pretty because they have been a man and dress up in make up and dresses are fun to them!”

      Most cisgender women like yourself have never felt the turmoil of dealing with gender dysphoria or have felt the absolute fear that your family and friends will reject you because you don’t meet their standards. And are you so absolutely ignorant that you think transgender people’s lives are just fun and games? I guess the suicide rates in the trans community are so high because they’re just having so much gosh darn FUN! You do realize how ridiculously insensitive that sounds, right?

      “My sister puts on make up because she is insecure! I wear baggy clothes because I think I am fat! My friend wears short skirts because she wants to get the boys because she is scared of being alone, she wants a man to pay her bills because she thinks she can’t it herself. I don’t think I get the boys because I am not good at wearing make up. Please, show some compassion and understand there are things as a trans women that you did not have to grow up with!”

      And? What’s your point? There are things that trans women have dealt with that you haven’t. There are things that you’ve dealt with that other women haven’t dealt with. There are things that other women have dealt with that you haven’t. You demand compassion, but where is your compassion for trans women?

      “I don’t understand what it is like to be trapped in a male body”

      You’re right, you don’t. So perhaps you shouldn’t comment on those that do and have had to deal with that? You speak as if your life has been so much more difficult, when in reality you admittedly have no idea.

      “But I do understand what it is like to feel not pretty enough or to hear people say that I am not a woman or a girly girl, that I must be a Tom boy or a lesbian because I hate high heels and make up! And have short hair.”

      You may understand what it’s like to not feel pretty enough, but do you understand what it’s like to be told by nearly an entire society that you shouldn’t exist? That you’re an abomination? That you’re garbage? That you should kill yourself? Not just society, but by people who claimed to love you?

      “I do believe in [feminine] and masculine energies and some souls are more [feminine]! Even if you are a man! So this may be how you feel more [feminine] but a women can’t understand a man who feels famine because she is never been a man.”

      You believe, but you don’t know. You have no idea what is going on inside of the bodies, minds, and souls of transgender people. You don’t even know what other women have gone through or feel. You assume. But every person has a unique story to tell that is nothing like your own, whether male, female, or somewhere in between.

      “She gets angry because she thinks you are belittling the experience of a women!”

      No, she gets angry because she is a hateful bigot that wants everyone to be like her. Scan her Facebook page and you’ll see that. She gets angry because she wants everyone to be like her or those she deems appropriate, and when she inevitably comes across someone that’s not, she goes into a self-righteous rage and feels the need to attack them. Even if all she can do is post a pathetic Facebook post that degrades a lot more than just trans women.

      “that women’s anger is valid and it has nothing to do with the trans community.”

      It’s actually not valid and has everything to do with the trans community. If it wasn’t she would have ranted about the entertainment and the fashion industry instead of just attacking Caitlyn Jenner for wearing a pretty dress (again… Something millions of women do all over the world).

      “Some are women are sick and tired of stereotypical images that make a “women”. It is our gender bitterness of years of suppression.”

      If you’re tired of the “stereotypical images” of women, then go after the fashion and entertainment industries. Don’t attack trans women who have already dealt with years of attacks from people who call them worthless, disgusting, or broken. You talk about years of “suppression” but you have never experienced the level of oppression that a trans person has. You should probably be thankful for that.

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  13. Ann

    Absolutely sickening. Ruining his kids live w great arrogance. Affair w Candace. Now religious ceremony in God for name change. Great mental illness. Google it.

    1. Yeah, his kids seem to have HORRIBLE lives. Not everyone worships the same idea of god that you do. Some of us don’t worship a god at all, you should look into it.

  14. Ann

    Jenner and his sex friend Candace they are making millions. At least Kardashians work hard have businesses are respected and love their family. This is the greatest money making scheme although Jenner doesn’t care he has disgraced his life his family himself. He is trash. He is selfish. He is still a man. He has disgraced Olympians and the Arthur Ash award. He cares about no one but his mental illness self. SHAMEFUL. DISGRACEFUL

    1. Caitlyn Jenner raised his kids, and they don’t seem to be ashamed of him at all, in fact they seem quite supportive, so I’m not sure where you’re getting that piece of “information.” Caitlyn is actually a woman, whether you approve of or like it or not. You know what I find disgraceful? Ignorant, backwaters, rednecks who think they have a monopoly on belief and spirituality. You are less than nothing. Go crawl back under your rock where the rest of us don’t have to deal with your nonsense.

  15. Ann

    Sickening bringing God into making blessing for Jenner to name change. They say unless you had the penis changed into vagina there is no truth to the trans gender. Absolutely sinful. Does Candace have penis also? I’m done. This is greatest travesty only if people staving money and fortune. God does not agree. This is greatest media money maker. So sad. You know they have a hard time daily living with their lies and mental illness. Amen

    1. “God does not agree.” Did he tell you that himself now? Do you have god’s phone number? Does he send you texts? Or, like all of the other religious nuts in the world, do you take a book written thousands of years ago by uneducated nomads and interpret it to fit your own world view?

  16. TylerBoone

    ok dude. If Caitlyn identifies as a woman, that’s fine with me. If she feels like one, then she can live like one. I support her. But the truth is, she won’t get to experience some of the pains of a non transgender, especially periods. I can completely understand the other woman’s argument. That woman wasn’t directly taking references from her own life, but women as a whole. So Caitlyn will never have some of the same experiences. Caitlyn is a woman psychologically. Not physically, and we can’t change that. Btw, you keep saying “will kill” instead of “may kill”. Unless you’re in deep DEEP South, that shit isn’t happening. Caitlyn is getting all KINDS of rewards for her actions. I have yet to meet anyone who hates transgenders as much as the ones you factionalized is your head. Seriously. Kill? If a couple of construction workers figure out, I’m pretty sure the worst would be verbal abuse. Not killing. In this day and age there probably won’t even be verbal abuse. So calm down.

    1. “especially periods” Periods don’t make a woman. There are countless women out there who never experience menstruation. Are they not women either?

      ” but women as a whole” Not women as a whole, her idea of “women as a whole.” There is no set definition of what a woman is. Does menstruation make a woman? No… Because as I’ve stated there are many women who never experience that… Child bearing? Nope… Again… There are so many women out there that don’t want to or can’t have children. Long hair and dresses? Nope… That’s a stereotype that doesn’t hold up to reality… Having a husband and being a homemaker? No… Not all women do that either… Menopause? No… Not all women experience menopause… As for transgender people being killed supposedly “not happening.” Google “transgender murdered” and you’ll see how absolutely wrong you are. Here are just a few articles:

      http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/11/lgbt-murders-within-24-hours-philadelphia-detroit

      http://planettransgender.com/trans-people-ban-together-and-ask-can-you-stop-killing-us-for-one-week/

      http://fusion.net/story/185799/2015-transgender-women-murdered-underreported/

      http://time.com/3999348/transgender-murders-2015/

      http://www.advocate.com/transgender/2015/08/18/victim-number-17-trans-woman-color-murdered-missouri

      I know you probably wish we live in a world where people of all types can walk down the street without fear (as do I, and so many others) but it just isn’t so. Transgender people are not safe. If they are a trans person of color it’s even worse. Educate yourself.

      1. TylerBoone

        Like I said. She is a woman, just not physically. This is going to sound weird but she has no actual vagina. None. She just isn’t a scientifically actual woman. I still think it’s “Ms.” and not “Mr.” She just isn’t a woman scientifically. As for the murders did I ever say they were NEVER going to happen. No. I’m just saying that you put “will” and not “may”, which is a better answer.

  17. Pete

    That guys a freak. Fuck all of you who think its brave and courageous. It’s a man and will always be. Make up and surgery can never change that.

    1. That is your opinion and you’re allowed to have it, as ignorant as it is. The thing is though, opinions do not equal truth. Caitlyn Jenner is a woman, whether you like or accept it or not. Thankfully, your opinion doesn’t matter in the slightest.

  18. Novzer Inarima

    Leave the matter alone. I for one just read how many commits were on this page and I personally don’t care. Let the trans be. The women was stating her opinion and so was James. They both deserve to be respected but dude these arguments got seriously heated. Okay think whatever you want but if you support, support, if ya don’t, don’t. Just let Caitlyn she/he is her/his own person and its none of our business

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